tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post6031924150705260025..comments2024-02-15T04:42:41.606+00:00Comments on James' Empty Blog: US nutteryJames Annanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-22831737192813432742011-01-14T23:29:56.660+00:002011-01-14T23:29:56.660+00:00"The right wingers are the ones who are showi..."The right wingers are the ones who are showing that they are feeling very guilty about this"<br /><br />Yes, indeed. Note that TomC's argument boils down to "two wrongs make a right". He defends the rhetoric.<br /><br />As a democrat, I was not amused when Anne Coulter, for instance, suggested that all Democrats should be executed.<br /><br />Perhaps TomC can point us to a high-profile, widely-published, liberal influencial in Democratic circles who have publicly called for the wholesale execution of Republicans?<br /><br />And perhaps TomC can tell us why Obama's quote regarding defending his campaign from attack is equivalent to calling upon followers to attack?<br /><br />TomC equates self-defense with assault?dhogazahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13589109126483161671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-27731860331779242812011-01-13T02:10:21.536+00:002011-01-13T02:10:21.536+00:00Sheriff Dupnik did not accuse any side of shouting...Sheriff Dupnik did not accuse any side of shouting fire in a crowded theater, he simply said there was too much of it. The right wingers are the ones who are showing that they are feeling very guilty about thisEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-29147695432305992582011-01-12T15:40:35.702+00:002011-01-12T15:40:35.702+00:00Pretty sleazy of you to distort that poster, nutte...Pretty sleazy of you to distort that poster, nutter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-52239505322363125072011-01-12T03:42:35.592+00:002011-01-12T03:42:35.592+00:00> Which is pretty much all that James said here...> Which is pretty much all that James said here originally. <br /><br />James did not suggest it was only the right-wing, but rather a more generic problem that extends back a lot further than one might have expected. <br /><br />> I mean hell they'd shoot Lincoln again if they could....<br /><br />WWJD? Get shot, obviously.juleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02591920483149775255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-24396063917884725842011-01-12T03:09:17.030+00:002011-01-12T03:09:17.030+00:00OK, this is my last post on this topic; so you rig...OK, this is my last post on this topic; so you right-wing dicks can get the last word! ;-)<br /><br />Torygraph reports how Palin blamed by the US Secret Service for the increase in death threats to Obama (I personally witnessed the "lynch mob" effect she brought to her rallies):<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/sarah-palin/3405336/Sarah-Palin-blamed-by-the-US-Secret-Service-for-death-threats-against-Barack-Obama.html<br /><br />And to ref the above Paul Krugman stuff; note that he didn't say it "caused" the Arizona shootings; just was part and parcel of the myriad of violent BS the right-wing has turned into a (psychotic) art-form. Which is pretty much all that James said here originally. <br /><br />And all of this gets me ultimately to ponder - the US right-wing always claim to be the bastion of Christianity & holiness & "what would Jesus do?" How do these well noted history of violence & threats & hate-speech reconcile with Jesus? To me that would be the most obvious hypocritical thing about the whole mess. Of course these types had no problem reconciling the slavery of Africans with their bible (although back then there was of course a notable liberal Christian anti-slavery i.e. Abolitionists). But today's Repub party are obviously the ideological descendants of the white male southern slaveowners & their apologists. I mean hell they'd shoot Lincoln again if they could....Carl Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14717209873111026574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-74323286178993658502011-01-12T02:56:00.632+00:002011-01-12T02:56:00.632+00:00From what I've seen & read, the kid was pr...From what I've seen & read, the kid was pretty nuts but a lot of his nutty ideas (currency, anti-government, anti-immigrant) seem to be rooted in the craziest bits of right-wing (see this LA Times article: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-arizona-shooting-extremism-20110112,0,7697607.story<br /><br />And I think deep-down the right-wing talk-show hosts, celebrities, and politician know they have been really over-the-top with the "Armageddon in America" psychotic rhetoric. But instead of toning it down or being contrite they still keep forging ahead in stupidity & the blame-game, and oddly acting as "victims" although they're not the ones being shot.<br /><br />I mean, if Palin and her crew really thought the map was full of surveying symbols, they probably would have left it up, and had better proof than shifting blame. Instead pundits from Palin through Rush Limbaugh through Malkin through this unknown blogger on the Economist try to act the victim. <br /><br />But at least Glock sales are up 60% in Arizona. As someone on a leftist blog I frequent pointed out -- "That's great for Austria, where Glocks are made, and their employees enjoy the socialist state of national healthcare, long-term unemployment benefits etc!"Carl Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14717209873111026574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-41949851985723268732011-01-11T23:28:47.298+00:002011-01-11T23:28:47.298+00:00For those thinking only Fox news counters Carl'...For those thinking only Fox news counters Carl's opinion:<br /><br /><br />http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/01/spinning_tucson<br /><br />At this point, there is simply no sound reason to believe this deranged young man was fired up by "toxic" or "eliminationist" conservative rhetoric from Michele Bachmann or whomever. Why are we even having this conversation? It's nuts. It's offensive. Is there any, you know, evidence that political rhetoric is now more vitriolic or incendiary than usual? Maybe there is, but I know of none.Steve Reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16256167637226194489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-59679150839497025012011-01-11T21:22:14.002+00:002011-01-11T21:22:14.002+00:00OK Carl C - last post
Here is the Squeaky/environ...OK Carl C - last post<br /><br />Here is the Squeaky/environmental connection - from MSNBC, so you can trust it, right?<br /><br />http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32416452/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/<br /><br />"During her own trial, Fromme either refused to attend or had outbursts. Her attorney John Virga argued that she simply wanted to call attention to environmental issues and Manson's case and never meant to kill Ford."<br /><br />Finally, I did not try to disprove AGW by regional weather events. What I said is the obverse, that it is wrong to try to prove AGW by regional weather events.Tom Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03793192912187740419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-47478546147818921462011-01-11T16:30:26.291+00:002011-01-11T16:30:26.291+00:00*yawn* nobody (not James, myself, or the document...*yawn* nobody (not James, myself, or the documentary he referenced) said "the government killed John Lennon." He was obviously harassed and targetted by the Nixon admiistration & the FBI/J. Edgar Hoover. And eventually killed by a deranged nutter of the "born again Christian" US perversion errr persuasion.<br /><br />You made all sorts of claims about Ford's potential assassins i.e. they were "left wing environmental activists" yet provided no evidence to back it up. It's obvious you feel a bit hidden guilt from all your reich-wing brethren shooting up the place whether it's abortion clinics or moderate politicians.<br /><br />And your tedious & absurd oversimplification of REGIONAL weather events to "disprove" GLOBAL warming shows your lack of logic and critical thinking skills (let alone your pathetic skills in science & history). You're part of the problem in dumb AmeriKKKa....Carl Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14717209873111026574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-64816662055269399312011-01-11T16:17:39.828+00:002011-01-11T16:17:39.828+00:00Carl C -
Thanks for amply demonstrating the menta...Carl C -<br /><br />Thanks for amply demonstrating the mental tics asociated with left wing paranoia.<br /><br />The essence of it is seeing connections between everything that proves the conspiracy. So, John Lennon was wiretapped by the gov and then he got shot. So, the gov had him shot. The judge that got shot in AZ ruled favorably regarding some Mexican immigrants, which just proves that he was shot by a right wing conspiracy. You somehow have devined my opinions about the Vietnam war (wildly incorrect) based on this topic as well. Once again, completely disconnected things that get hooked together to "prove" your conspiracy theory.<br /><br />Now that I think of it, many parallels to AGW paranoia: every weather event - hot, cold snow, no snow - "proves" global warming and is just what "models predict".Tom Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03793192912187740419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-17450536757328800832011-01-11T15:48:56.949+00:002011-01-11T15:48:56.949+00:00Divide et impera...Divide et impera...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-67928185167510438342011-01-11T15:22:08.479+00:002011-01-11T15:22:08.479+00:00my joke at top was an obvious one on the new "...my joke at top was an obvious one on the new "Conservative/xenophobic immigration policy."<br /><br />And again, there is no bona fide evidence you provided about Squeaky/Sara and their "environmental terrorism/activism" re: Gerald Ford attempted shootings. And idiots like you screech ad infinitum about the 60's Weathermen or Black Panthers but turn a blind eye to carpet bombings in Vietnam, collateral damage in Iraq & Afghanistan etc (which is a million to one compared to the Weathermen).<br /><br /><br />what's pathological is that Tom C sounds just like Bill O'Reilly now (just substitute James for the NY Times)! The reich-wingers get very upset when you point out their violent rhetoric & their hypocrisy.<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/bill-oreilly-new-york-times-msnbc-arizona-shooting_n_807233.htmlCarl Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14717209873111026574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-90220740259233691412011-01-11T04:17:42.212+00:002011-01-11T04:17:42.212+00:00word missing in last post, sorry - her lawyer used...word missing in last post, sorry - her lawyer used it as a defense.Tom Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03793192912187740419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-47973145432862612672011-01-11T04:15:59.518+00:002011-01-11T04:15:59.518+00:00One more bleat before off to bed:
Carl and Ratty ...One more bleat before off to bed:<br /><br />Carl and Ratty both accuse me of unfairly tying Squeaky to environmental causes. Apparently if something is not in Wikipedia it doesn't exist. This is absolutely hilarious, since at her trial her lawyer actually used her environmental activism as a . It was just this delicate concern for the environment that should have exonerated her. Look it up somewhere other than Wikipedia guys.Tom Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03793192912187740419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-54020742998148398172011-01-11T03:55:14.656+00:002011-01-11T03:55:14.656+00:00Wow Carl - You can really swear a lot! You are so...Wow Carl - You can really swear a lot! You are soo smart. <br /><br />One sign of delusional thinking is making jokes that are so "inside" that only the teller gets them, cf. your UK/Conservatives line. Kind of creepy, also, how you end your profanity laced diatribe by calling me an idiot and then adding a smiley face.<br /><br />It was James who brought his little climate science blog down into the gutter not me. He made a smear and we called him on it. Sorry if that ruins your day.<br /><br />Rattus - I love the way you whitewash Left crimes. The myriad left-wing bombings were "only against property (which is not true) and this was "not a happy time" for our country. Well, I guess a few bombs here and there is OK if it is not a "happy time". Plus, Ford didn't actually get shot, so it's really no big deal.<br /><br />Re Lennon - Carl was hyperventilating about the persecution of Lennon and said the gov was "out to get him". I think this deserved mocking, no?<br /><br />Re Squeaky and Sara Jane, there are courses you can order to improve your reading comprehension. One more time, my point is that it would be unfair to use these two nuts to try to de-ligitimize environmentalism and left wing politics in general, even though there are much stronger ties to these ideologies than there are in the AZ case.<br /><br />Rattus - your summary of Loughner is highly misleading, it is clear he developed an irrational grudge against her some 3-4 years ago, well before Palin or the last election cycle. And at least two acquaintences describe him as "left-wing".Tom Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03793192912187740419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-15779937290892582032011-01-11T03:51:22.314+00:002011-01-11T03:51:22.314+00:00It's pretty obvious that in general the shoote...It's pretty obvious that in general the shooter is always a nutter of some sort, and their personal politics aren't always important (though it certainly seems to be a big factor when <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8488335.stm" rel="nofollow">doctors get murdered</a>). I don't think the left is particularly pure, in fact from the Lennon movie I'd suspect the Black Panthers to be rough equivalents of a different political stripe, er spots, er colour. Not that I remember a lot about the 60s, I was obviously enjoying them too much (or else barely born). But those concerned with matters of taste, I think the time for such hand-wringing is really before a "target" gets "eliminated". AKA a person getting shot in the head (not to mention the bystanders).<br /><br />Anyway, Anonymous M's comments from 1:58am are probably the closest to my own. There's a difference between a military metaphor and inciting. But please carry on with your arguments...James Annanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-44808497513545154262011-01-11T03:07:36.727+00:002011-01-11T03:07:36.727+00:00I concur with Rattus. Also, the Obama quote that ...I concur with Rattus. Also, the Obama quote that right-wingers are trotting out as some BS "moral equivalence" i.e. "Obama said bring a gun to a knife-fight" was an obvious joke from a movie quote. Obama was speaking to a crowd in Philly and also immediately after made reference to tough Philly sports fans etc.<br /><br />Which is where I was obviously coming from with my "I wish the Conservatives would let me back in the UK" joke. I mean really, the likes of Tom C read into some liberal conspiracy in my line & Obama's line?<br /><br />But there is nothing obviously humorous in the violent rhetoric we see from the Palin & Beck bunch, on down through the insane nutters on local radio that spin every (what should be) mild political topic into "TREASON" & "DON'T TREAD ON ME." Rather than being tough gun-totin' macho men Repugs think they are; they are what Bill Maher rightly calls a bunch of hysterical little girls.<br /><br />But of course since America is getting so dumb you have to explain every damn joke so nothing is funny any more! It's just amazing that this sort of specialized climate science page has to end up being a bloated political blog because right-wing nutters have to invade every damn website to espouse their idiocy. You idiots are entitled to your own opinion - but you're not entitled to invent the facts, and warping of reality! :-)Carl Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14717209873111026574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-68485361592621042852011-01-11T02:56:40.729+00:002011-01-11T02:56:40.729+00:00Err, Tom C, I think that the John Lennon film is a...Err, Tom C, I think that the John Lennon film is about the efforts by the Nixon administration to keep Lennon from becoming a legal resident in this country and the associated deportation proceedings.<br /><br />Squeaky Fromme was a Manson family member who according to her Wikipedia page (which I trust because she is not a political issue) does not indicate any substantial connection with the environmental movement. Sarah Jane Moore may have had sympathies with the SLA, but that places her somewhat outside of the mainstream of American politics, doesn't it? BTW, Gerald Ford was never shot, although there were 2 assassination attempts. One from a flat out nut and one from someone who may have harbored sympathies for a group very, very far out of the mainstream of American politics. <br /><br />During the early 1970's the Weather Underground did stage several bombings some of which were aimed at people. There were also instances of violence during antiwar riots, such as the riots in Isla Vista (Santa Barbara), but most of this was aimed at property and not people. Not good and not a happy episode in US history.<br /><br />I actually bothered to watch a couple of Loughner's videos (and they are disturbing) and he was a hard money fan, hated people who "couldn't speak English" and questioned the legitimacy of the Federal Government. Personally, I don't think that he was influenced by the SarahPac ad. Rather the influence probably came from the ads run by her opponent in the last election. These showed him taking target practice on human targets with the implications being made clear.Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-76420871277210051422011-01-11T02:11:04.401+00:002011-01-11T02:11:04.401+00:00M-
Thanks for your reasonable posts on this topic...M-<br /><br />Thanks for your reasonable posts on this topic.<br /><br />The problem is the double standard. The Discovery Channel hostage taker was a wacko who thought he was championing environmental causes. Yet the mainstream media treats him as only a wacko and doesn't go into the environmentalism as "cause" or "incitement". Yet on a much thinner reed of evidence (in fact none at all), the AZ shooter becomes a "Tea party" representative.<br /><br />My other example, that Carl C can't seem to comprehend, is that Squeaky Fromme, who shot at Ford was also just a nut. But her big cause at the time was saving the redwoods. It is unfair to tar environmentalists with her actions based on this connection.<br /><br />But poor Carl, if the Conservatives would just let him back to the UK he could explore those Illuminatti connections to the Knights Templar that eventually led to Lennon's assassination. Imagine!Tom Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03793192912187740419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-89712570152268099592011-01-10T23:59:53.818+00:002011-01-10T23:59:53.818+00:00"blown-up child climate skeptic commercial&qu..."blown-up child climate skeptic commercial"<br /><br />Yeah, that commercial was in pretty poor taste. But while it seems, on the surface, to be comparable to the violent rhetoric of the Palins/Becks/Limbaughs, there is a crucial difference: how many people in the target audience for the commercial send death threats to their favorite coal company CEO, right-wing media giant, or republican official? Compared to how many Palin/Beck/Limbaugh followers send death threats, carry guns to public meetings, break windows, etc. etc? The commercial was, however poorly marketed, meant as black humor. I see the PBL spectrum as much closer to incitement than the commercial.<br /><br />(Again, I would like better statistics on the above: I can certainly think of one example of a recent liberal violent act - the Discovery Channel hostage taker, but again, that's one anecdotal piece of evidence, and I feel that I have many more anecdotal pieces of evidence on the other side of the ledger. It probably helps that the right-wing is the party of the NRA, so the right-wing crazies are more likely to have and think of resorting to guns than the left-wing crazies)<br /><br />-MAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-76362248586106113522011-01-10T22:50:16.973+00:002011-01-10T22:50:16.973+00:00Since Carl likes him so much, here is more from Gl...Since Carl likes him so much, here is more from Glenn Reynolds:<br /><br />Lefty: Sarah Palin and the Tea Party movement encourage hatred and violence!<br /><br />Questioner: How do you know?<br /><br />Lefty: Because whenever I think about them, I’m filled with hate and a desire to do harm!Steve Reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16256167637226194489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-91703661058949921052011-01-10T22:28:23.303+00:002011-01-10T22:28:23.303+00:00err, Tom, you didn't raise any points worthy o...err, Tom, you didn't raise any points worthy of debate. What am I supposed to do, debate whether "Imagine" is a good song with you?<br /><br />Just look at the FBI files of Lennon -- the reich-wingers were after him for ages (Nixon thought he was coming to the US to screw up the '72 RNC convention). What's it like being on the side of assholes like Nixon & Reagan all the time?<br /><br />And are you still trying to spin Squeaky Fromme of the Manson family as an "environmental activist?" How laughable. Amazing this isn't even in wikipedia -- but I guess they're a leftist org and you only use "conservapedia"?<br /><br />It's as intellectually dishonest as the reich-wingers spinning Palin's target map as "surveyors symbols." Yeah Sarah Palin -- she put the ordnance in "Ordnance Maps" alright.....Carl Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14717209873111026574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-29865916325674221812011-01-10T22:16:17.702+00:002011-01-10T22:16:17.702+00:00So Carl C, you are claiming that it was the govern...So Carl C, you are claiming that it was the government that killed John Lennon and it was pinned on Chapman? Maybe JD Salinger was in on it too? Exactly who here is the paranoid nut?<br /><br />And the Catholic church brought Hitler to power. Is Dan Brown your idea of a good historian, Carl?<br /><br />Not surprising you side-stepped every point I raised, from Sara Jane Moore to the blown-up child climate skeptic commercial. And, we are still waiting for one piece of evidence that the AZ shooter was motivated by conservative politics. So far, what evidence there is shows him to be a lefty to the extent he was political at all.Tom Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03793192912187740419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-52037663797873081592011-01-10T22:13:27.937+00:002011-01-10T22:13:27.937+00:00and of course the sponsor-du-jour of Reynolds'...and of course the sponsor-du-jour of Reynolds' Instapundit is Front Sight Firearms Training. No doubt for better targetting of the "evil commies in your midst"<br /><br />http://www.frontsight.com/landingpg-1.asp?src=gaw&kw=self%20defense%20handguns&gclid=CJGKh5XUsKYCFcbd4AodWUyZoACarl Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14717209873111026574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-67373722943511766572011-01-10T22:07:58.354+00:002011-01-10T22:07:58.354+00:00Wow, what a lame false dichotomy Reynolds presents...Wow, what a lame false dichotomy Reynolds presents. I just took a look at his site - his current touted like is the bogus meme that Palin's map is "not crosshairs - but surveyor's marks." Yeah right, as it really ties into that whole Palin mythology of her being a Mama Surveyor etc. And "don't retreat, reload" is obviously in reference to land surveying on her Alaska estate (to presumably get a better view of Russia).Carl Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14717209873111026574noreply@blogger.com