tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post5574864955973091230..comments2024-02-15T04:42:41.606+00:00Comments on James' Empty Blog: Initially ridiculed by many scientists as new age nonsense, today that theory forms the basis of almost all climate science.James Annanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-85153359181596880052008-03-26T02:40:00.000+00:002008-03-26T02:40:00.000+00:00I am not that hot on Gaia, but this post (by a pha...I am not that hot on Gaia, but this post (by a phage hunter) may be of general interest...<BR/><BR/>"'Of the IN larger than 0.2 micrometer that were active at temperatures warmer than -7C, 69 to 100% were biological, and a substantial fraction were bacteria. Our results indicate that the biosphere is a source of highly active IN and suggest that these biological particles may affect the precipitation cycle and/or their own precipitation during atmospheric transport.'<BR/><BR/>"The reason I find this interesting is that I study P. syringae's phage: the cystoviridae. A recent report found that 'phages isolated from single clovers were not consistently more similar to each other than to phages isolated from sites across the country [i.e. opposite coasts] or from other previously isolated phages... These data are thus consistent with frequent continent-wide migration in the Cystoviridae.'"<BR/><BR/>Friday, February 29, 2008<BR/>Spora and Gaia: How Microbes Fly with Their Clouds<BR/>http://evilutionarybiologist.blogspot.com/2008/02/spora-and-gaia-how-microbes-fly-with.htmlTimothy Chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16400529485899488733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-47423723495390402452008-03-03T15:14:00.000+00:002008-03-03T15:14:00.000+00:00I think perhaps Eli's reference to Grauniad possib...I think perhaps Eli's reference to <I>Grauniad</I> possibly refers to the spelling. Which, if he was, stems from <I>The Guardian's</I> erstwhile proliferation of tpyos [sic :-)] before the advent of spellcheckers and non-movable typesetting and the urban myth that they once misspelled their masthead.P. Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08586624400531767627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-36233266669095383972008-03-03T13:42:00.000+00:002008-03-03T13:42:00.000+00:00Oliver,I agree that various feedbacks have been co...Oliver,<BR/><BR/>I agree that various feedbacks have been considered, but there's a big difference between on the one hand looking at feedbacks, some positive, some negative, and on the other hypothesising that all living organisms act cooperatively to promote life. A whole lot of climate science doesn't consider the ecosystem as an interactive system in any meaningful manner at all (this is now changing, but it's still a big stretch to claim that it is based on Gaia).James Annanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-79888937949891899732008-03-03T10:16:00.000+00:002008-03-03T10:16:00.000+00:00James at 5: I think the work that Volk and Schwart...James at 5: I think the work that Volk and Schwartzman did on life-mediated weathering after the first AGU Gaia conference, inspired by IIRC the 1982 Lovelock Watson paper, and associated stuff that has since fed itno Berner's Geocarb model, came out of a gaian perspective -- that "life sets the themostat" for the silicate weathering feedback by controlling weathering rate. Though this is probably not the sort of thing you were thinking of. Another possibility would be biogenic DMS as a player in ocean cloud formation. Not supporting the main claim, but I think "no part whatsoever" is over reaching. <BR/><BR/>Also, Lovelock's claim that when you can get the IGBP et al saying in the 2001 Amsterdam declaration that "The Earth System behaves as a single, self-regulating system comprised of physical, chemical, biological and human components" that takes in, at least at the rhetorical level, a fair amount of what was once Gaian.<BR/><BR/>Not to say that "Gaia theory" has as such had a huge effect, and what the IGBP says doesn't necessarily reflect the "basic physical theory of climate".Oliverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00109042570183038475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-37965837570147100512008-03-03T07:51:00.000+00:002008-03-03T07:51:00.000+00:00Manchester, originally.Manchester, originally.James Annanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-21294065994725966292008-03-03T06:36:00.000+00:002008-03-03T06:36:00.000+00:00Being too lazy to Google will someone explain to m...Being too lazy to Google will someone explain to me where Grauniad comes fromEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-77344146101753986022008-03-02T06:08:00.000+00:002008-03-02T06:08:00.000+00:00Oh, by the way the whole article is here. And whil...Oh, by the way the whole article is <A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2008/mar/01/scienceofclimatechange.climatechange" REL="nofollow">here</A>. And while a more integrated, wholistic approach to climate science is now increasingly common, I don't think I'm being overly dismissive in saying that Gaia forms no part whatsoever of the basic physical theory of climate (and climate change).James Annanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-53760675099780363312008-03-02T05:56:00.000+00:002008-03-02T05:56:00.000+00:00We have a winner!Congratulations Callan.We have a winner!<BR/><BR/>Congratulations Callan.James Annanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-41239597728663499122008-03-02T05:12:00.000+00:002008-03-02T05:12:00.000+00:00Uh... butterfly effect? Just a guess.Uh... butterfly effect? Just a guess.Silver Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-85703904785048913812008-03-01T19:58:00.000+00:002008-03-01T19:58:00.000+00:00I don't know about "new age", but the Clausius-Cla...I don't know about "new age", but the Clausius-Clapeyron equation was originally derided as a <A HREF="http://lablemminglounge.blogspot.com/2006/12/thermodynamics-of-hot-chicks.html" REL="nofollow">cheesy pop song</A>.C W Mageehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09706100504739548720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-51906823146382540682008-03-01T15:17:00.000+00:002008-03-01T15:17:00.000+00:00Gaia?Gaia?Callan Bentleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15422791444429372896noreply@blogger.com