tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post2109954681718348666..comments2024-02-15T04:42:41.606+00:00Comments on James' Empty Blog: A chink of light at the end of the tunnel?James Annanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-40784288724319994662013-05-20T15:50:47.376+01:002013-05-20T15:50:47.376+01:00I definitely wasn't using VPN and could read t...<br />I definitely wasn't using VPN and could read that article without going through my university account.<br /><br />Nic says on his follow-on comment on BH that the editors have agreed to provide this paper free of charge for a short period.Carrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476050886656768837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-3696286680233653302013-05-20T14:19:21.622+01:002013-05-20T14:19:21.622+01:00Rattus,
It isn't paywalled (at the moment, do...Rattus,<br /><br />It isn't paywalled (at the moment, don't know if Carrick is right about a time limit), but it is registration-walled. Anyone can register for free though.Paul Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15275182941476518621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-85753236030699052092013-05-20T14:05:22.841+01:002013-05-20T14:05:22.841+01:00Carrick, it turned out I had my VPN connection to ...Carrick, it turned out I had my VPN connection to work on and that gives me free access to most journals.Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-86834095040263016272013-05-20T13:36:15.216+01:002013-05-20T13:36:15.216+01:00Well it has certainly become very clear to me what...Well it has certainly become very clear to me what this is all about. I'll put up another post soonish. James Annanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-41933702277688515652013-05-20T13:13:50.286+01:002013-05-20T13:13:50.286+01:00I said much the same thing at Bishop Hill-
There&...I said much the same thing at Bishop Hill-<br /><br />There's a nice misleading bit of spin right at the start of the paper:<br /><br />[quote first 3 sentences of paper]<br /><br />If you only read this far, you'd get the impression that the paper supports the IPCC 2-4.5 value and refutes lower values. To describe 1.2-3.9 as 'in agreement' with 2-4.5 seems somewhat misleading. I'm guessing that Nic didn't write that sentence.Paul Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13612822196780702827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-11063629063952484732013-05-20T12:10:11.711+01:002013-05-20T12:10:11.711+01:00I can't make sense of the next paragraph in th...I can't make sense of the next paragraph in the SI.<br /><br />All other forcing estimates mentioned were related to a reference (zero) year of 1850. Here they talk about defining the LLGHG component of their forcing time series using the value 2.83 from <a href="http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/11/11827/2011/acp-11-11827-2011.pdf" rel="nofollow">Skeie et al. (2011)</a> but that relates to 1750 as reference.Paul Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15275182941476518621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-19714382466046123822013-05-20T11:53:36.074+01:002013-05-20T11:53:36.074+01:00Looking at the SI there are a few other things whi...Looking at the SI there are a few other things which don't seem to add up.<br /><br />They define a forcing time series from the CMIP5 ensemble, using results from <a href="http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~mzelinka/Forster_etal_subm.pdf" rel="nofollow">Forster et al. (2013)</a>, and find a mean 2010 value of 1.9W/m2, compared to 1850. They then decide to scale the forcing time series by reference to observational constraints for aerosol forcing, adding 0.3W/m2 onto 2010 in the process. On the face of it this is potentially entirely reasonable, but the way it's done here doesn't work for me:<br /><br />1) They compare ACCMIP ensemble mean for aerosol forcing to selected observation-based studies, then apply the difference to their CMIP5 mean forcing. The problem is that the ACCMIP ensemble is not the same as the CMIP5 ensemble. They seem to assume the comparison can be transposed onto the CMIP5 ensemble but give no basis for this assumption.<br /><br />2) The two references they use for observational studies are not apples-to-apples comparisons with ACCMIP results because they only refer to direct+1st indirect forcing, rather than total aerosol forcing including all indirect effects. There is a relevant well-known recent satellite obs-based total aerosol forcing paper - <a href="http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/9/8697/2009/acp-9-8697-2009.pdf" rel="nofollow">Quaas et al. (2009)</a> - and that finds a best estimate of -1.2W/m2, seemingly in agreement with the ACCMIP mean (though see point 1).Paul Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15275182941476518621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-47844238773781797912013-05-20T10:30:48.256+01:002013-05-20T10:30:48.256+01:00They don't actually cite which earlier estimat...They don't actually cite which earlier estimates they think are in agreement, which makes that judgement pretty tough. I'm not sure a direct comparison with the IPCC 2-4.5ºC range is entirely fair since that is an overall assessment which takes into account a lot more than just energy balance estimates. AR4 does, in several places, give a separate assessment for observationally-constrained estimates: 'Estimates based on observational constraints indicate that it is very likely that the equilibrium climate sensitivity is larger than 1.5°C with a most likely value between 2°C and 3°C.' This paper would (just about) fit in that range.<br /><br />However, where they give explicit comparisons to the CMIP5 ensemble on ECS and TCR it's a bit confusing. The CMIP5 ECS ensemble range is given as 2.2-4.7ºC and compared to study range 1.2-3.9º, with the judgement that the two are consistent though slightly offset towards lower values. They don't give a CMIP5 TCR range but, according to the AR5 draft, it's 1.1-2.5ºC, compared to 0.9-2.0ºC. Like James, I'm not sure why one of these comparisons is considered to be in agreement while the other isn't. It seems like they deferred their TCR conclusion to Gillett et al. (2012) - a study looking at a single high sensitivity model - rather than analysing their own results.Paul Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15275182941476518621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-40357218116990673232013-05-20T09:02:32.667+01:002013-05-20T09:02:32.667+01:00Table S2 in the supplementary information gives 1....Table S2 in the supplementary information gives 1.4-4C more or less as the 95% confidence range.<br /><br />Are these the conclusions of the paper (which I have not seen yet).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08658697422961922139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-28928469638546869802013-05-20T06:20:48.954+01:002013-05-20T06:20:48.954+01:00Rattus, I understand it's free for a short tim...Rattus, I understand it's free for a short time, then it goes behind a paywall.Carrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476050886656768837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-76327721992237273932013-05-20T02:29:37.917+01:002013-05-20T02:29:37.917+01:00Doesn't seem to be paywalled, either.Doesn't seem to be paywalled, either.Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-61887553872438909152013-05-19T21:56:04.661+01:002013-05-19T21:56:04.661+01:00Thanks for the response James.... I just found it:...Thanks for the response James.... I just found it:<br /><br />http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ngeo1836.htmlCarrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476050886656768837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-38432919606216877982013-05-19T21:06:15.019+01:002013-05-19T21:06:15.019+01:00I don't think the paper is up yet, though the ...I don't think the paper is up yet, though the embargo has passed (according to several sources). I'll edit the post when it appears.James Annanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-16452699234600043642013-05-19T19:27:34.454+01:002013-05-19T19:27:34.454+01:00Do you have a link?Do you have a link?Carrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476050886656768837noreply@blogger.com