tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post113330187188019447..comments2024-02-15T04:42:41.606+00:00Comments on James' Empty Blog: Keep science off web, says Royal SocietyJames Annanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-1133386147380248502005-11-30T21:29:00.000+00:002005-11-30T21:29:00.000+00:00Steve,PLoS looks like just another open-access jou...Steve,<BR/><BR/>PLoS looks like just another open-access journal to me. There are already some in the climate field (the EGU runs a few, eg <A HREF="http://www.copernicus.org/EGU/npg/special_issues.html?j_id=6&i_id=144" REL="nofollow">here</A> and <A HREF="http://www.copernicus.org/EGU/cp/cp.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>), but they haven't made a huge impact yet. <BR/><BR/>John,<BR/><BR/>I agree that greater use of arXiv would be a good idea, but in these days of omniscient search engines, anyone who searches on relevant topics will easily find personal web pages anyway. It's not as handy for general browsing of course, but from a researcher's web page, you can usually make a judgement as to whether the work is valid but perhaps not yet published, or just dross - arXiv doesn't seeem to make this distinction yet :-)<BR/><BR/>Belette,<BR/><BR/>Yes I agree, and this does seem to be the way things are going. I'm sure it will eventually lead to a stotally different way of doing things which will be weaselly distinguished from the present situation.James Annanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-1133379401380761212005-11-30T19:36:00.000+00:002005-11-30T19:36:00.000+00:00I've been curious as to what folks think about the...I've been curious as to what folks think about the PLoS model (www.plos.org). Is this approach likely to penetrate to the climate field at some point?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-1133371461576113002005-11-30T17:24:00.000+00:002005-11-30T17:24:00.000+00:00John Fleck said -Not that it matters much what I t...John Fleck said -<BR/><BR/>Not that it matters much what I think, but I've been arguing for years to anyone who would listen that the earth science community needs to emulate the physics community's "arXiv" preprint server. It allows quick and relatively frictionless communication of results. It looks like a few climate-related publications are posted there, but not many. Having a central repository like that would be far more useful to folks like me than the current system, where individual researchers post their preprints and reprints on their own personal server.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-1133370447769981242005-11-30T17:07:00.000+00:002005-11-30T17:07:00.000+00:00The US position is interesting, and copyable. All ...The US position is interesting, and copyable. All we need is for all other govts (or in practice, a few of the major research producers: UK, Germany, Japan, France, Canada) to pass the same laws and the journals would have no choice but to accept. Since it works for the US, I can't see why it shouldn't work elsewhere.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-1133326981249652862005-11-30T05:03:00.000+00:002005-11-30T05:03:00.000+00:00John,It varies by journal. They almost(?) all actu...John,<BR/><BR/>It varies by journal. They almost(?) all actually take over the rights, but usually give the author limited permission to publish on their own web site and/or preprint server (sometimes with additional minor restrictions, such as not posting the final article but only a preprint with link to the official version). In fact on checking again I find I have technically breached the conditions of one journal by not waiting for 12 months before putting the article on the web. In practice I've never heard of a journal complaining about such minor breaches at the individual level, although I would probably comply if they kicked up a fuss :-)<BR/><BR/>Note that the work of US Federal Govt employees is already in the public domain by default - I don't think that journals can prevent such authors from distributing the research as they see fit.<BR/><BR/>On reading more carefully, the Guardian headline is perhaps poorly-chosen. The RS is actually objecting to a proposal that all (UK) researchers be <I>forced</I> to make their work available on the web. On balance I still think they are wrong, but they probably have an arguable case. In any case I think the momentum in this direction is clear - it is only a matter of time.James Annanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-1133324819785113062005-11-30T04:26:00.000+00:002005-11-30T04:26:00.000+00:00John Fleck asks -So how does your self-archiving o...John Fleck asks -<BR/><BR/>So how does your self-archiving on your own web site work in terms of the Journals, James. Do they own rights and grant you permission? Do you own the rights? I see more and more scientists doing what you have done (which is great), but I run into a lot of folks in the climate community who won't post the electronic reprints of papers in things like Journal of Climate where they apparently don't own the rights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-1133322041847235752005-11-30T03:40:00.000+00:002005-11-30T03:40:00.000+00:00Wasn't the web startesd as a way to exchange scien...Wasn't the web startesd as a way to exchange scientific information?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-1133313777561347292005-11-30T01:22:00.000+00:002005-11-30T01:22:00.000+00:00The Royal Society unlike King Canute is rather fon...The Royal Society unlike King Canute is rather fond of flattery and thinks it can command the sea.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.com