tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post6483608387166885206..comments2024-02-15T04:42:41.606+00:00Comments on James' Empty Blog: Colour me scepticalJames Annanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-45218296722937165292012-06-08T12:13:48.700+01:002012-06-08T12:13:48.700+01:00> they aren't afraid of getting sued
Hmm, ...> they aren't afraid of getting sued<br /><br />Hmm, that doesn't seem to me like the biggest risk here... more that the truth would leak out (leaks being a reality of life) and that it turns out to be different.Martin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-9999435843915791202012-06-08T07:45:37.773+01:002012-06-08T07:45:37.773+01:00Barry, agreed.
Just adding my two cents... did no...Barry, agreed.<br /><br />Just adding my two cents... did not mean this to be seen as disagreeing with you.Carrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476050886656768837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-84828528698478385742012-06-08T04:33:07.154+01:002012-06-08T04:33:07.154+01:00Carrick,
I agree with everything you said, and ye...Carrick,<br /><br />I agree with everything you said, and yet still think my last comment was on target.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-82262724911038150152012-06-08T03:22:06.192+01:002012-06-08T03:22:06.192+01:00Barry, I think the general tendency on PI's pa...Barry, I think the general tendency on PI's part was to bring him back in the fold, so IMO the review would have had to be really negative before he would have been permanently removed. Speaking in generality, these "independent reviews" tend to craft their final report in the direction the person funding the study is leaning towards (I've personally seen that principle in action.)<br /><br />One could also argue that PI didn't release the review due to lawyers advice. "Unnecessary exposure" and all that. That's not saying there's anything particularly adverse in the review, it's just the lawyer's job is to minimize your legal risk, not necessarily to give you the best PR advice.Carrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476050886656768837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-90450850820093436822012-06-08T00:48:57.169+01:002012-06-08T00:48:57.169+01:00What this development undoubtedly means is that th...What this development undoubtedly means is that the Pacific Institute is confident enough in Peter Gleick's story that they aren't afraid of getting sued if they reinstate him after publicly announcing that his story held up to an independent review. I don't think anyone can say much beyond that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-28608143610000273642012-06-08T00:01:52.843+01:002012-06-08T00:01:52.843+01:00grypo your link quotes PI as saying "The revi...grypo your link quotes PI as saying "The review will not be released because it is a confidential personnel matter."<br /><br />Apparently phishing for confidential documents and posting them on the web is not a "confidential personal matter" especially when the reason you state for the act has to do with transparency, but the review of that act is confidential and doesn't merit transparency.<br /><br />>.<Carrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476050886656768837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-27420607092051189612012-06-07T18:56:15.794+01:002012-06-07T18:56:15.794+01:00http://davidappell.blogspot.com/2012/06/heres-who-...http://davidappell.blogspot.com/2012/06/heres-who-did-peter-gleick.html<br /><br />Here's the independent investigatorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-76960685455254891672012-06-07T18:32:57.372+01:002012-06-07T18:32:57.372+01:00grypo: Disagree. It's PI's best interest t...grypo: <i>Disagree. It's PI's best interest to do a thorough and independent investigation. It is not in their interest to whitewash Gleick considering the circumstances.</i><br /><br />It's also apparently not in their best interests to give any details of the independent review. Whatever it really is, to outside appearances the investigation looks like a sham.Carrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476050886656768837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-6529034215938716182012-06-07T18:23:16.705+01:002012-06-07T18:23:16.705+01:00bbickmore, thanks, I try to be reasonable. It dri...bbickmore, thanks, I try to be reasonable. It drives me crazy too when people can't admit to obvious mistakes.Carrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476050886656768837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-88058137003640100322012-06-07T16:51:55.107+01:002012-06-07T16:51:55.107+01:00Carrick,
Nice to meet someone who can admit being...Carrick,<br /><br />Nice to meet someone who can admit being wrong about some minor issue. It's surprisingly uncommon on the Internet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-59216917322005678762012-06-07T16:22:57.198+01:002012-06-07T16:22:57.198+01:00And for those who like numbers:
http://www.cdph.ca...And for those who like numbers:<br />http://www.cdph.ca.gov/certlic/drinkingwater/Pages/123tcp.aspxHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-10405706900285908712012-06-07T16:20:33.393+01:002012-06-07T16:20:33.393+01:00And get back to the real problem PI focuses on -- ...And get back to the real problem PI focuses on -- water:<br /><br />http://fresnobeehive.com/news/2012/02/tcp_in_valley_drinking_water_s.htmlHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-3737487963666281182012-06-07T13:06:38.099+01:002012-06-07T13:06:38.099+01:00"IMO it's more than a little naive to exp..."IMO it's more than a little naive to expect that the PI investigation was truly independent, thorough and unbiased."<br /><br />Disagree. It's PI's best interest to do a thorough and independent investigation. It is not in their interest to whitewash Gleick considering the circumstances.<br /><br />YMMV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-62982232910943737302012-06-07T12:54:11.405+01:002012-06-07T12:54:11.405+01:00IMO it's more than a little naive to expect th...IMO it's more than a little naive to expect that the PI investigation was truly independent, thorough and unbiased. (Same for the HI investigation, of course.)<br /><br />Now, if only someone would pretend to be a PI board member with a new email address, and get them to forward a copy of the report... :-)James Annanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-51877065614338522362012-06-07T12:42:26.784+01:002012-06-07T12:42:26.784+01:00Whitewash?
It's much more likely that PI has ...Whitewash?<br /><br />It's much more likely that PI has been upfront and we just need to find a way to get the information we want AND satisfy their need to need to keep certain information confidential.<br /><br />Another more nefarious option is they don't want people to know from what computers Gleick did his pretexting from. Namely - theirs.<br /><br />It's in PI's interest to tell the truth at this point because it could become a legal or civil matter where the report could become public. There is no reason to doubt that 1) the investigation was independent and 2) it backs up Gleick's story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-73110537060730159262012-06-07T12:23:41.855+01:002012-06-07T12:23:41.855+01:00I'm getting a pretty strong whiff of whitewash...I'm getting a pretty strong whiff of whitewash. I know that doesn't necessarily mean he <i>was</i> lying...James Annanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04318741813895533700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-53684994572589230732012-06-07T12:00:26.332+01:002012-06-07T12:00:26.332+01:00"Per Romm, PI says no other information about..."Per Romm, PI says no other information about the investigation will be released. Probably for the best."<br /><br />A bit frustrating actually. <br /><br />Now both Appell and Watts are saying that PI told them they will not release the report because it a confidential personnel matter. It is true that there is likely a lot of information that would be unfit for public consumption.<br /><br />But...<br /><br />It's still in the public's interest to know about that memo, and who wrote it, so the information gleamed from the investigation regarding its provenance should be released. Perhaps a redacted version version could be a way to see it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-53602455734666594282012-06-07T05:01:27.544+01:002012-06-07T05:01:27.544+01:00The fact may be correctable, but the mode of think...The fact may be correctable, but the mode of thinking remains.Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-63880938267645685642012-06-07T04:20:58.067+01:002012-06-07T04:20:58.067+01:00Hank and bbickmore,
Yes thank you.
You're bo...Hank and bbickmore,<br /><br />Yes thank you.<br /><br />You're both right and I was dead wrong.Carrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476050886656768837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-75502719428942804342012-06-07T03:42:34.524+01:002012-06-07T03:42:34.524+01:00Per Romm, PI says no other information about the i...Per Romm, PI says no other information about the investigation will be released. Probably for the best.Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-66398679006046765642012-06-07T00:45:42.628+01:002012-06-07T00:45:42.628+01:00Gleick is set free!
http://bigcitylib.blogspot.ca...Gleick is set free!<br /><br />http://bigcitylib.blogspot.ca/2012/06/gleick-unchained.htmlbigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-91701516802590608382012-06-06T22:32:15.314+01:002012-06-06T22:32:15.314+01:00Criminy, Carrick, learn to read. In the inimitabl...Criminy, Carrick, learn to read. In the inimitable phrase of the Stoat, any fule knoe that Christy's paper talked about snowfall trends up through the present, and that abstract pointedly discusses the future. Although probably you're quite right that it's what Christy is reacting to.<br /><br />Hank, here's a <a href="http://fresnobeehive.com/news/2012/02/fresno_native_making_sierra_cl.html#comments" rel="nofollow">good one</a> for your files on this. It's a nice window into peer review and provides yet more evidence of how Christy is willing to blow up a minor, uncontroversial result into a claimed large-scale refutation of climate science.<br /><br />Let's not forget also that Christy has very relevant form regarding California climate issues, noting that his interesting but, ahem, unphysical finding that irrigation in the San Joaquin Valley warms rather than cools the local climate motivated a slam-dunking on the front page of Eos.Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-48921430679910948592012-06-06T22:14:33.488+01:002012-06-06T22:14:33.488+01:00>> by the mid-21st Century ...
>> by t...>> by the mid-21st Century ...<br />>> by the end of the 21st Century.<br /><br />> Christy wasn't able to find a <br />> significant effect and [...] <br />> points out that this contradicts <br />> these earlier claims.<br /><br />You've nailed Christy's mistake by posting the quote you use to claim you don't see his mistake.Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-2413920515061976102012-06-06T21:52:34.605+01:002012-06-06T21:52:34.605+01:00Carrick, you didn't read the article about Joh...Carrick, you didn't read the article about John Christy very carefully. The point was that Christy's results don't go against the climate models (as was claimed), because the climate models almost all predict no statistically significant trend over the periods he studied. Otherwise, I'm sure the data Christy compiled is very nice, and it might even be useful to show that some regional model projections are off in the future, when even more data is available.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9959776.post-45988069686251299472012-06-06T21:31:46.532+01:002012-06-06T21:31:46.532+01:00http://www.pacinst.org/press_center/press_releases...http://www.pacinst.org/press_center/press_releases/statement6612.html<br /><br />The Pacific Institute is pleased to welcome Dr. Peter Gleick back to his position as president of the Institute. An independent review conducted by outside counsel on behalf of the Institute has supported what Dr. Gleick has stated publicly regarding his interaction with the Heartland Institute. This independent investigation has further confirmed and the Pacific Institute is satisfied that none of its staff knew of or was involved in any way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com